No self promotion or direct linking to items for sale. Before hitting submit, check that your content doesn't violate the rules below. The flak coming out over a reasonable answer to a simple question is kind of off the wall an unnecessary. The solvents in lacquer/thinner are very aggressive and aren't compatible with waterbourne finishes, or even shellac. [–]Cushak 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child). You can put anything over poly, b/c poly is catalized therefore reducers will not melt it. But you can also seal furniture with polycrylic. What’s next? This can vary depending on how thick of a coat you put on, and temperature and humidity. So if you are looking for a nice glossy and easy to use finish for your paintings, give Polycrylic a try. Spray lacquer over polycrylic? While removing three layers of wallpaper from an unsized/unprimed 1960s soffit, the steamer dripped onto my cabinets and left these markings. It can be. I thought I was out of spray lacquer, so I began the tedious process of applying polycrylic on a project with a million nooks and crannies. Apply a thin coat of Polycrylic™ Finish with a high-quality synthetic bristle brush. Poly over lacquer is ok, lacquer over poly won’t work because the thinners are to hot and they will melt the poly. If it were me, I'd either finish out the project with aerosol poly, or spray on a really good coat of shellac and then lacquer . White/beige marble finish and polish help. The key to success is to make sure the oil has fully dried first. I hope this ends this line of talk. Spraying lacquer over anything else is going to be risky. Just as you can over any Drying Oil. Bethany from madeline jean antiques restoration shows you how easy applying polycrylic can be over painted furniture. Years ago I used Minwax poly clear as a final top coat … and join one of thousands of communities. [–]NotElizaHenry 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). You could coat the entire surface with the Polycrylic. When you spray lacquer over a solvent-based acrylic finish, they combine to form a hybrid film, even if the acrylic is pigmented to form a paint. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jul 2, 2015. I haven’t tried it myself but I’ve read of lots of guys using it as a sealer. Isn’t lacquer fine over a de-waxed shellac? Minwax Polycrylic works underneath Rustoleum enamel, but it turns to goo if you hit it with any sort of alcohol. Nothing like what you're seeing. But even then, the effect is rather slight. However, polycrylic can take several weeks to fully cure. Stir well before and regularly during use. That being said, shellac is a great barrier between different types of coatings, and is a great sealer under finishes as well. Water based finishes all coalesce using very similar chemistry regardless of the chemical used to make the microscopic individual units of finish. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: /r/finishing is a forum that encourages the respectful exchange of wood or metal finishing knowledge and projects. A wet application can cause many paints and finishes to wrinkle or blister, even an old coat of lacquer itself. It can be applied by brush, rag or spray. No problem. If you are thinking about trying polycrylic watch this first. Polycrylic is really quite versatile. [–]boomechoOld home and furniture restoration 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). Should I stain my wood sealer or the varnish overcoat? I used Minnwax Poycrylic to seal the balsa and foam (all of the fuselage except the side pieces are blue foam with 3/4 oz fiberglass applied with polycrylic.) To prevent spam, accounts must be older than 1 hour to post, Self posts need at least a few descriptive words or they will be removed. Self promotion isn't showing off something you made; it's linking to items/services for sale. However, if you don’t have enough time and want to finish it quickly, you can apply another coat over it. Advice on applying oil or latex paint over existing lacquer. If the furniture has been uses or handled a great deal it might be a good idea to clean it with alcohol also to get any skin oils or waxes off. But you can also seal furniture with polycrylic. WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHITE PAINT: Bright white paints can yellow over time with or without topcoat. When repainting furniture it always helps to know what the piece was originally finished with. The two … Recoating time is 2 hours and it’s fully dry in 24hrs. Good info here on using laquer based primer over Minwax: Thanks for all the replies guys much to think about. Sanding smooths it out and allows you to get a buttery soft finish. The Polycrylic comes in matte, satin, semi-gloss and gloss. If you want to use water based poly, I would think a coat of shellac over the danish oil (they make clear) would give you a good surface to apply the poly to. You shouldn’t have any issues while applying water-based polyurethane over polycrylic. Using … Although the term comes from the French word meaning “to … Sanded with 320. It has very little odor, is non-flammable, cleans up easily with soap and water, and can be recoated in only 2 hours. The solution to this on-going annoyance is simple and always has been. I've been following this thread for a while and have been reluctant to reply because of possible "blow back", but here is a picture of the scratch built I posted a while back. Then DupliColor lacquer auto paint. Second, polyurethane is not the best choice for painting over lacquer finishes. Enter the hair debacle. Danish oil and wax would not offer a lot of protection if the table will ever see moisture. Wait at least 24 hours before applying Polycrylic™ Finish over Minwax® Wood Finish™ Stain. As with doing the reverse, you will always get a mixed answer to this question. Minwax® Polycrylic® Protective Finish is a crystal clear, fast-drying protective topcoat for use over bare wood, oil- and water-based stains, paint and wallpaper. Or, you could apply a clear oil base polyurethane. From contributor B: You can also apply a couple of thin coats of Minwax Polycrylic over the latex or oil-based paint for a little more protection. You can get it in a spray can (which I’ve never tried) or in various different sized cans. It may cast an amber tint. Do not engage in discussing any person negatively. This floor will always look crappy, but perhaps there is a way to improve it slightly, [Help] Need help tracking down vinyl laminate. Apply in one direction with the grain. Minwax Polycrylic is an example of a fortified water-based polyurethane than can stand up a bit better to rough conditions. The problem is the lacquer thinner in the lacquer. I applied a coat of Minwax fast drying polyurethane on a bookshelf for my daughter's bedroom. If you are going from bone white to dark brown, then something is seriously wrong. Minwax ® Polycrylic ® Protective Finish is a crystal clear, fast-drying protective topcoat for use over bare wood, oil- and water-based stains, paint and wallpaper. Polycrylic provides good protection on a variety of wood vertical surfaces that will be used indoors. When you spray lacquer over a solvent-based acrylic finish, they combine to form a hybrid film, even if the acrylic is pigmented to form a paint. If you really really want to use lacquer, you will probably need to strip the polycrylic. Artist acrylics, when cured, should be fine with spray nitrocellulose lacquer, at least in my experience but I don’t see any compelling reason to use it. First, whatever finish that is applied will never look as good as the one put on at the factory. Paint doesn’t raise the grain of the wood, so I typically do not sand between coats of polycrylic over paint. Then re-applied a coat of polycrylic and sanded with 400 grit. Can You Put Polyurethane over Polycrylic? A varnish (or varnished look) can be achieved with products or combinations of products that include polyurethanes, lacquers, epoxies, etc. I haven't seen the snake but if the entire piece is painted with no wood showing you could sand it with 220 grit to give the finish some "tooth" and then paint it with Gesso. Doing so will cause the paint to peel. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 26962 on r2-app-0d3c240e131d4ff3f at 2021-01-06 12:46:39.126711+00:00 running 15b6a67 country code: US. FINISH APPEARS MILKY IN CAN BUT DRIES CRYSTAL CLEAR. But if … Test the whole procedure in an out-of-the-way place before proceeding. Polyurethane is a more durable coating. DO NOT SHAKE. level 2 Polycrylic typically takes around 2 hours to be dry to to the touch, and 24 hours to completely dry. Spraying lacquer over anything else is going to be risky. If the solvents in the lacquer thinners are hotter than the alcohol in the shellac, there can be issues. I put 3 layers of gloss Polyurethane on a stained piece of wood. Details and inside corners are difficult to cover with any paint color, but this property tends to be more noticeable with whites. Applying oil to my second end grain board, love watching the color reveal. The solvents in lacquer/thinner are very aggressive and aren't compatible with waterbourne finishes, or even shellac. If you disagree with a post, just note the particular item needing correction and state the facts as you see them. The underlying finish or wood species can affect the final color of light paint. Can you put polycrylic over chalk paint wax. If I do this, it won't create a … It also can go over oil-based finishes and can be applied using synthetic-bristle brushes, a foam roller or a rag, as can other water-based polyurethanes. Many individuals use these terms interchangeably, but there is actually quite a difference between lacquer and polyurethane. Follow up to my previous post. Do not over-brush. For protection reasons, I wanted to put 2 layers of Polycrylic over it. Please check your ego at the door. It works best as any waterbase polyurethane will when sprayed (if you are equipped). In short; you CAN apply a lacquer or a polyurethane over a Danish oil. Applied two light coats of DupliColor lacquer high build primer. Just make sure and test before application. It has very little odor, is non-flammable, cleans up easily with soap and water, and can be recoated in only 2 hours. Once cured, the … Rendered by PID 26962 on r2-app-0d3c240e131d4ff3f at 2021-01-06 12:46:39.126711+00:00 running 15b6a67 country code: US. Polyurethane will not bond or grip well with the lacquer and will peel off over time with general use. Kevin Hancock: Why do you want to do this? (self.finishing). There are risks to spraying any type of solvent lacquer over any existing, and older, paint or finish. What do you do when you need the tough durability of a poly but you want the beautiful antiquing and soft sheen of a wax. I applied Elmer's wood putty by rubbing it into the grain with my fingers. I suspect not. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. No problem with compatibility at all. Then it will achieve a very durable finish. Thanks for confirming that it will really be ok to put polycrylic over chalk paint. But, please note, I did NOT apply lacquer color over polycrylic. To answer you original question, you should have no problem applying water-based polyurethane over the polycrylic. Just applied 3rd coat of Arm-r-Seal. Login with username, password and session length. Polycrylic is water based which means you need to repaint the piece with a water-based paint, such as acrylic paint. Polycrylic is good and doesn’t add color. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. 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I did make a few test panels to try different build up coats. Something else is wrong. While it may be possible to lightly sand the polycrylic and apply the polyurethane on top, we would suggest sanding down to the … It is the nature of oxidation. No, you don't want to put lacquer over the water based poly, you'll likely have one hell of a mess if you do. You got it backwards. Polycrylic is clear acrylic. There are several things to keep in mind before moving forward. [–]boomechoOld home and furniture restoration 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children). C'mon guys, this embarrassing exchange need never have happened. If it is rough wood i would first sand a little then paint. You can use this on low impact furniture as well as on doors or cabinets.. Because polycrylic goes on clear, it will maintain the appearance of the wood that you are applying it to. Fast forward to this morning and I find a full can of spray lacquer... could it be applied over top to continue finishing? It's not a piece of fine furniture, but I just want a fast durable finish. It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an automobile, with CAB-acrylic or acrylic lacquer. Decoupage is the technique of applying paper to an object or wall and then applying many coats of varnish to create a lacquer finish, or one that is smooth, transparent and highly resilient. If it was finished with a Minwax Polycrylic, don't try to paint over it with anything oil based. Understanding the differences between lacquer vs. polyurethane durability can help you to make a wise choice when it comes to finishing y… Minwax clear aerosol lacquer in a spray – as recommended by one of our Facebook group members Envirotex resin – regional links = USA / Canada / UK . However, if it feels rough to the touch after a coat of polycrylic, you can sand with 400 grit sandpaper to make it smooth. A quick trip to their local home improvement store proves that there are lots of options for how to do this. You can do it if the poly has been curing a looooong time, but it's something you're currently working on, the solvent in the lacquer is going to mess up the poly. Try it on a sample first. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. It isn't unusual to clear-coat an acrylic paint finish on a metal surface, such as on an automobile, with CAB-acrylic or acrylic lacquer. Instead, post it at /r/ArtisanGifts. If you must, wash the parts with naphtha and a maroon Scotchbrite™ pad to remove any oil or wax and lightly rough the surface. Best ideas for removing them? Will bottom layers ever cure? 4 Posts . I don't know if that works or not. Make sure you clean the surface after sanding. Assuming the table hasn't been used you can sand the polycrylic until there is no shine to it anymore and coat it with polyurethane. You can get it here: Amazon USA Basically I require lacquer or better for day to day use furniture. If you really really want to use lacquer, you will probably need to strip the polycrylic. Re: Painting over Polycrylic I know this answer is a bit late for this question but I'de like to add my two cents in case it may help someone else with a similar problem. Recoated after 6 hours. For that matter, I don't think you'd get away with putting any type of paint that has thinner in it over the poly. You can choose from polyurethane, lacquer, shellac, or even varnish. It is absolutely clear, and the whole point of water based polys is that they don't amber, like a polyurethane will, over time. If you are concerned, sand the surface with sandpaper first. Hi guys title says it all, can I spray auto lacquer rattle can over minwax water based clear polycrylic? March 25, 2007 ... 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